There was a thread on a board I frequent about taking a woman's virginity. I liked some of the replies but had to add my own two cents, as follows:
There are a couple macro angles being worked in this thread.
1. She says she wants it to be special and you should respect her wishes. It's all about her.
2. Have sex with her anyway and here's how to game/trick her into it. It's all about you.
#1 is Passive, #2 is aggressive. Passive is all about the other person and you mean little in the equation. Examples: Guys who are a doormat and let people walk all over them. Aggressive people are the opposite in that they don't take other person's interests under consideration. Examples: Guys who are aggressive get laid, but things don't last because they push people away from them and can never make a real lasting connection. There is a third option.
Being Assertive means you consider both sides. Examples: When someone does something wrong, you let them know they crossed the line. This sub-communicates you have standards and a backbone – two VERY important attraction switches.
This chick is talking about sex which means she's thinking about it. When she says she wants it to be special you have to read between the lines. She means she doesn't want to be judged. You have to let her know you never judge without coming out and saying "I don't judge". Tell her a creative story. Also tell her how you admire someone who goes for something they want and doesn't care about what other people think. These all tie into things that girls think about when it comes to social programming. Let her know you're a guy who keeps secrets.
This chick is a virgin which means she's relatively inexperienced when it comes to guys. You don't need to run uber game on her because she's not desensitized to guys just yet. You should learn to make her comfortable with you and see you as a sexual teacher.
The best policy is to be assertive and tell her why you like her and you know you could make her first time very special. But tell her at the same time you just got out of a nasty break up and don't know if you're ready for a relationship just yet but you live in the moment. Let the decision be hers. Putting up a disqualification or a barrier like this is often very powerful. Girls who are attracted want to work to overcome barriers. If she's attracted she'll find a way.
Last night I was sick and had a 2nd date set up with this girl. I disqualified myself saying I was sick. I put up a barrier for her where she could not see me. We had not seen each other in a week and she was looking forward to seeing me, so she responded by trying to pass this barrier and said that we would just not be physically intimate. She brought me dinner, came over and we hung out. I was very hands off. But then it became a game. What could we do which didn't involve kissing? She started by rubbing my hands. I responded by kissing her arm or the back of her neck. It escalated and ended up with us in bed and my cock in her mouth. Hey, we never kissed.
What you're really afraid of here is if you tell her the truth, you'll lose the girl. That's not abundance, that's scarcity DEFINED.
By being assertive it takes the responsibility off you and puts it on her. Normally this is the OPPOSITE of what you would want to do, in that you take all responsibility so she doesn't have accountability. But since we are talking about her virginity here – and assuming you have any conscious whatsoever – making her comfortable with you and letting her make the decision would mean you don't have to lie your ass off.
-Milkman
Tuesday, August 4, 2009
Tuesday, May 26, 2009
Compliance based escalation
A big problem I’ve noticed is: as guys, we really want that pussy. It makes us pull very hard. In general, pulling is bad when the girl isn’t ready. You sacrifice a long term win for a short term high. Instead of gaming them in a linear fashion of escalation I’ve switched to a more random method, based upon compliance. The more compliant and attentive a girl is, the more time she gets out of me – to a point, of course. When a girls attention and compliance is at a high, I let her pull ME.
I’m also thinking of women in terms of money. I make small investments over time which leads to a big payoff – getting laid (repeatedly) from a chick I really dig. Similarly I don’t put all my eggs in one basket either. One of my goals is a large STABLE I can hang with. I’m using this new method to move forward in increments over time, towards that goal. My ego – the need for a +1 – will not interfere with this goal because my abundance mentality overrides it.
I’m also thinking of women in terms of money. I make small investments over time which leads to a big payoff – getting laid (repeatedly) from a chick I really dig. Similarly I don’t put all my eggs in one basket either. One of my goals is a large STABLE I can hang with. I’m using this new method to move forward in increments over time, towards that goal. My ego – the need for a +1 – will not interfere with this goal because my abundance mentality overrides it.
Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Monday, May 18, 2009
Reader Mailbag 1
Mailbag is where I'll choose a good email and answer reader questions. I like this one because I think we've all been in this situation! Today's comes from Gecko...
“I have been reading your blog for a month now, when I get time at work. I like what I read and I'd like to ask you for some help. You seem like you may be able to help.
I've been pursuing this chick since St Patty's Day. I met her at my local hang out. She is a friend of a friend and she seemed cute. So i bought her a few shots and started a little chit chat. She had plans to go watch some midget wrestling with said friend, so I said good night and we parted ways. I told our friend to put in a good word. He did. Good guy. I saw her again a few weeks later, after a hockey game, at the same watering hole. This time I really buttered her up. I pulled out all of my best material. She was like putty in my hands, dude. Unfortunately, my friend that I went to the game with (not the mutual friend) was a little too trashed. I was running between her and my dummy, cock blocking friend. He eventually won out. I couldn't even get her number because she seemed turned off by my buddy. Turns out, it wasn't a total failure.
The girl, ended up at the spot yet again this past Thursday. This time I was solo. I managed to man up enough to get her number. Sadly, during the week, I have a time limit. I wasn't able to be quite the charming motherfucker I normally am. I got the number anyway. My question to you is, when should I try to call her? You see, I'm a very busy man. Between the daily band practice, working overtime, my dogs and the upcoming Testament concert, next Monday, which I have to reserve my cash for, I'm not so sure I should I should try so set up a date so soon. Please advise.”
Gecko
Gecko,
Thanks for being a reader and for your submission. There's no official waiting period. It's been several days so I would get in contact TODAY to keep the interaction warm. Reopen her via text using callbackhumor. Or if you're certain she saved your # in her phone (you are supposed to make certain this happens when you get her #) and you had a strong interaction to the point you know she'll pick up if available, then call at a time when you think she's most likely to answer; maybe around 7 or 8 depending on her schedule.
The only thing waiting does is try to hide a guys excitement or neediness in a situation. If you've ever seen Good Luck Chuck where he goes psycho needy wearing the penguin outfit, or swingers where mike calledthat girl and left several messages - that's what I'm talking about. As long as you can come from a place of want, instead of need, you will be fine.
Waiting too long can turn interactions cold. I recommend getting in touch asap and if you're busy keep it warm with texts and anoccasional phone call until you can meet up. Exchanging myspace or facebooks is also great for this and let's her get a peek at what you're like.
Lastly don't focus on any one girl too much. You found one girl you like but come from a place of abundance mentality where there is one,there are more just around the corner. Keep meeting women and being successful.
Also, see this link on my blog for some more info...
http://milkmandeliversattraction.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-turning-that-number-into-date.html
Good luck let me know how it goes!
-Milkman
“I have been reading your blog for a month now, when I get time at work. I like what I read and I'd like to ask you for some help. You seem like you may be able to help.
I've been pursuing this chick since St Patty's Day. I met her at my local hang out. She is a friend of a friend and she seemed cute. So i bought her a few shots and started a little chit chat. She had plans to go watch some midget wrestling with said friend, so I said good night and we parted ways. I told our friend to put in a good word. He did. Good guy. I saw her again a few weeks later, after a hockey game, at the same watering hole. This time I really buttered her up. I pulled out all of my best material. She was like putty in my hands, dude. Unfortunately, my friend that I went to the game with (not the mutual friend) was a little too trashed. I was running between her and my dummy, cock blocking friend. He eventually won out. I couldn't even get her number because she seemed turned off by my buddy. Turns out, it wasn't a total failure.
The girl, ended up at the spot yet again this past Thursday. This time I was solo. I managed to man up enough to get her number. Sadly, during the week, I have a time limit. I wasn't able to be quite the charming motherfucker I normally am. I got the number anyway. My question to you is, when should I try to call her? You see, I'm a very busy man. Between the daily band practice, working overtime, my dogs and the upcoming Testament concert, next Monday, which I have to reserve my cash for, I'm not so sure I should I should try so set up a date so soon. Please advise.”
Gecko
Gecko,
Thanks for being a reader and for your submission. There's no official waiting period. It's been several days so I would get in contact TODAY to keep the interaction warm. Reopen her via text using callbackhumor. Or if you're certain she saved your # in her phone (you are supposed to make certain this happens when you get her #) and you had a strong interaction to the point you know she'll pick up if available, then call at a time when you think she's most likely to answer; maybe around 7 or 8 depending on her schedule.
The only thing waiting does is try to hide a guys excitement or neediness in a situation. If you've ever seen Good Luck Chuck where he goes psycho needy wearing the penguin outfit, or swingers where mike calledthat girl and left several messages - that's what I'm talking about. As long as you can come from a place of want, instead of need, you will be fine.
Waiting too long can turn interactions cold. I recommend getting in touch asap and if you're busy keep it warm with texts and anoccasional phone call until you can meet up. Exchanging myspace or facebooks is also great for this and let's her get a peek at what you're like.
Lastly don't focus on any one girl too much. You found one girl you like but come from a place of abundance mentality where there is one,there are more just around the corner. Keep meeting women and being successful.
Also, see this link on my blog for some more info...
http://milkmandeliversattraction.blogspot.com/2009/02/how-to-turning-that-number-into-date.html
Good luck let me know how it goes!
-Milkman
Friday, May 1, 2009
Backbone & sexual framing
Continuing saga with the professional woman, she’s actually more than just a professional. (deleted). As you can imagine she’s all kinds of feisty and has an ultra strong frame.
Back story: I made a joke which went over her head. She didn’t get it and asked what I meant. I turned it around into an opportunity to cold read and frame.
MM: Oh my blonde. I made a joke silly
HBPro: Ok...ok! God Im an airhead! And u don’t have to agree!
MM: I don’t HAVE to… but doing so is so much fun ;)
HBPro: Ur terrible!
MM: Don’t blame me just cause I call u out cutie (:
-> Find a reason to call her out, and call out calling her out so you can have the following conversation. It subcoms many things including you understand women, which is an attraction switch
HBPro: Believe or not, I liked to be called on my shit! It shows u can deal w me
MM: I know u do why do u think I do it ;) most men don’t have a backbone these days. Not i
HBPro: I like a backbone! I find it sexy and admirable
MM: I like a girl who’s confident enough to go for what she wants and doesn’t give a shit what other people think
-> I’m sexually framing here. In person I would have done a self point
HBPro: And how do u know that’s what I like?
HBPro: That’s good! I like my men like that! A strong personality is important
MM: Oh I know a lot of things u like ;)
HBPro: like what
MM: u find confidence and take charge attitude attractive, u need a man strong enough to be like that even though you are strong yourself. And u test him with ur strength to see if he can take it
HBPro: I need a shower, want to join? <;)>
HBPro: Ok ur right! Have I told u that before or did u read it! I do get easily timid though
-> She sexually shit tested me and I ignore it. After that we got into deep rapport
Back story: I made a joke which went over her head. She didn’t get it and asked what I meant. I turned it around into an opportunity to cold read and frame.
MM: Oh my blonde. I made a joke silly
HBPro: Ok...ok! God Im an airhead! And u don’t have to agree!
MM: I don’t HAVE to… but doing so is so much fun ;)
HBPro: Ur terrible!
MM: Don’t blame me just cause I call u out cutie (:
-> Find a reason to call her out, and call out calling her out so you can have the following conversation. It subcoms many things including you understand women, which is an attraction switch
HBPro: Believe or not, I liked to be called on my shit! It shows u can deal w me
MM: I know u do why do u think I do it ;) most men don’t have a backbone these days. Not i
HBPro: I like a backbone! I find it sexy and admirable
MM: I like a girl who’s confident enough to go for what she wants and doesn’t give a shit what other people think
-> I’m sexually framing here. In person I would have done a self point
HBPro: And how do u know that’s what I like?
HBPro: That’s good! I like my men like that! A strong personality is important
MM: Oh I know a lot of things u like ;)
HBPro: like what
MM: u find confidence and take charge attitude attractive, u need a man strong enough to be like that even though you are strong yourself. And u test him with ur strength to see if he can take it
HBPro: I need a shower, want to join? <;)>
HBPro: Ok ur right! Have I told u that before or did u read it! I do get easily timid though
-> She sexually shit tested me and I ignore it. After that we got into deep rapport
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Dance Floor is a Trap?
How wrong the guy who said "the dance floor is a trap" was. Like anything, it's just another facet of game which can be used to your advantage. It provides an easy non verbal way to meet girls, initiate kino, and ramp attraction up quickly. The trick is transitioning away and glueing her to you so the interaction sticks…
I'm at Typhoon last night with a bunch of friends. I have a date with me also so I'm basically in "hook up my friends" mode. We bump into more people we know. We're chilling at first by some tables in a high traffic area pulling people in. A friend fearlessly goes in on 3 seated cute girls and locks himself in right away. I'm amusing myself opening girls by poking them in the belly and telling them they're committing a party foul by having no drink, or dancing. I've also given the cheers opener to the 2 new guys so they can work on being social.
Eventually we make our way to the dance floor. We're overlooking it and I'm getting eyes from this super hot asian girl. She AI's us and stands next to me grinding her friend. Forget what I opened her with but she's laughing, smiling, and then proceeds to tit punch me with a spearhand poke to the belly! I'm like WTF LOL, did you just tit punch me? Your tits are next! "Nooooo!". She's giggling. I try bringing my buddy in because he's so into Asians and this one is fucking cute. He doesn't step up so it's over. After I'm telling him we want to occupy the raised part of the stage when we dance because we'll get noticed. Attention whoring girls leave and we grab the opportunity to hop up.
I'm not an especially good dancer, but I know a move or two, I'm confident, and know how to have fun amusing myself. That, combined with the stage and powers of observation is all you need. We're up there shaking our shit and I'm watching for the signs. The investment pays off and the eyefuckings begin. These 21 year old girls are looking up at us having a great time strutting around and want to be a part of it. It's like a hybrid of social proof with jealousy plot, sans woman. We begin to get AI'd.
Girl #2 rolls by and I noticed she'd been eyefucking in Genome's and my direction. I poked him in the ribs or something to let him know what's up and gave the girl a smile. We both helped her up on stage and I told her "Have you met my best friend Genome? He's awesome!". She begins shit testing him immediately while they're dancing. He turns around to me and says she's accusing him of this or that. I think I said "you like guys with personality right? Well Genome has a BIG PERSONALITY!" They walk off hand in hand later… logistics were bad for him but he got her info.
Girl #3 rolls by. She's checking me out. She looks. She looks away. My date is 3 feet away. She looks. She looks away. Stop being so shy college girl. I smile and hold my hand out. She hops on stage and suddenly my cock is rubbing against her pussy as she grinds me. I go in close and breathe heavy on her neck. She does the same. My date is watching this go down, smiling and talking to one of our guys. She wasn't jealous. Awesome. Now I can turn it up. I turn her around so she's sandwiched between my buddy and I. She starts rubbing her ass on my now hard cock.
I stab her in the ass with it. Oh my.
My buddy finally begins to get it and take control. Shes into it with him. Then out of nowhere some guy approaches the stage and she pulls him up. My friend gives up the fight before it began and now he's outside the bubble. My friend is awesome but he lacks presence and confidence in himself. Incredibly surprising to me given everything he has going for him but we all have our inner demons.
His roommate later starts double teaming same girl with random guy, turns her towards him and starts making out with her in front of whoever that guy was. I'm waiting for the drama. It never comes. He was only an orbiter, and her ride. My friend's roomie then walks off with her (SMART) and later has his hands up her shirt. Dude is standing next to me in disbelief for 5 minutes. Welcome to the friend zone...
Girl #4 begins eyefucking me. I count at least 8 glances from her toward me. I stare her down and smile. She smiles back. She doesn't approach the stage yet but I have to piss bad so I hop down.
Security corners me with some bogus claim of inappropriate behavior.
They're chill but they toss me outside and aren't reasonable. Someone's butthurt. Wonder if we were with one of their girls or something. Fuckers.
Whatever. I hooked up a couple of my guys and had fun.
I'm at Typhoon last night with a bunch of friends. I have a date with me also so I'm basically in "hook up my friends" mode. We bump into more people we know. We're chilling at first by some tables in a high traffic area pulling people in. A friend fearlessly goes in on 3 seated cute girls and locks himself in right away. I'm amusing myself opening girls by poking them in the belly and telling them they're committing a party foul by having no drink, or dancing. I've also given the cheers opener to the 2 new guys so they can work on being social.
Eventually we make our way to the dance floor. We're overlooking it and I'm getting eyes from this super hot asian girl. She AI's us and stands next to me grinding her friend. Forget what I opened her with but she's laughing, smiling, and then proceeds to tit punch me with a spearhand poke to the belly! I'm like WTF LOL, did you just tit punch me? Your tits are next! "Nooooo!". She's giggling. I try bringing my buddy in because he's so into Asians and this one is fucking cute. He doesn't step up so it's over. After I'm telling him we want to occupy the raised part of the stage when we dance because we'll get noticed. Attention whoring girls leave and we grab the opportunity to hop up.
I'm not an especially good dancer, but I know a move or two, I'm confident, and know how to have fun amusing myself. That, combined with the stage and powers of observation is all you need. We're up there shaking our shit and I'm watching for the signs. The investment pays off and the eyefuckings begin. These 21 year old girls are looking up at us having a great time strutting around and want to be a part of it. It's like a hybrid of social proof with jealousy plot, sans woman. We begin to get AI'd.
Girl #2 rolls by and I noticed she'd been eyefucking in Genome's and my direction. I poked him in the ribs or something to let him know what's up and gave the girl a smile. We both helped her up on stage and I told her "Have you met my best friend Genome? He's awesome!". She begins shit testing him immediately while they're dancing. He turns around to me and says she's accusing him of this or that. I think I said "you like guys with personality right? Well Genome has a BIG PERSONALITY!" They walk off hand in hand later… logistics were bad for him but he got her info.
Girl #3 rolls by. She's checking me out. She looks. She looks away. My date is 3 feet away. She looks. She looks away. Stop being so shy college girl. I smile and hold my hand out. She hops on stage and suddenly my cock is rubbing against her pussy as she grinds me. I go in close and breathe heavy on her neck. She does the same. My date is watching this go down, smiling and talking to one of our guys. She wasn't jealous. Awesome. Now I can turn it up. I turn her around so she's sandwiched between my buddy and I. She starts rubbing her ass on my now hard cock.
I stab her in the ass with it. Oh my.
My buddy finally begins to get it and take control. Shes into it with him. Then out of nowhere some guy approaches the stage and she pulls him up. My friend gives up the fight before it began and now he's outside the bubble. My friend is awesome but he lacks presence and confidence in himself. Incredibly surprising to me given everything he has going for him but we all have our inner demons.
His roommate later starts double teaming same girl with random guy, turns her towards him and starts making out with her in front of whoever that guy was. I'm waiting for the drama. It never comes. He was only an orbiter, and her ride. My friend's roomie then walks off with her (SMART) and later has his hands up her shirt. Dude is standing next to me in disbelief for 5 minutes. Welcome to the friend zone...
Girl #4 begins eyefucking me. I count at least 8 glances from her toward me. I stare her down and smile. She smiles back. She doesn't approach the stage yet but I have to piss bad so I hop down.
Security corners me with some bogus claim of inappropriate behavior.
They're chill but they toss me outside and aren't reasonable. Someone's butthurt. Wonder if we were with one of their girls or something. Fuckers.
Whatever. I hooked up a couple of my guys and had fun.
Friday, April 24, 2009
I'm a mad genius
God I’m a genius, in my boredom I came up with the best generic warm text opener ever.
Good morning and welcome to txt by numbers! Press 1 to wish me good morning, 2 say you missed me, or 3 to check out my ass!
100% response rate, I’m getting lots of 2’s but mostly 3’s all within minutes.
It’s playful, but it works because it plays into plausible deniability and baits them to respond in a manner which frames I’m the prize and she’s missed me or finds me attractive.
Good morning and welcome to txt by numbers! Press 1 to wish me good morning, 2 say you missed me, or 3 to check out my ass!
100% response rate, I’m getting lots of 2’s but mostly 3’s all within minutes.
It’s playful, but it works because it plays into plausible deniability and baits them to respond in a manner which frames I’m the prize and she’s missed me or finds me attractive.
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